Robert Butwin: Corporate Chains to Entrepreneurial Freedom

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Who Knows A Guy podcast.

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But right now, check out this next

awesome interview with one of the awesome

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people that the Guy Who Knows A Guy knows

and is going to introduce to you now.

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Welcome

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once again to the guy

who knows a guy podcast.

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I'm Michael Whitehouse, the

guy who knows the guy himself.

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And today I have with me network

marketing, Maverick and visionary

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entrepreneur, Robert Butwin descended

from a lineage of successful

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entrepreneurs and self made millionaires.

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Robert Butwin's journey is a

testament to breaking the mold.

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Early, he decided to step away from

the conventional country club smart

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business practices ingrained in his

upbringing, instead choosing the path

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of network marketing for its personal

fulfillment and financial stability.

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Robert began his network marketing

endeavor part time 39 years ago.

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Quickly grasping its immense

potential, he transitioned to a full

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time network marketer, a role he's

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This shift marked the beginning

of a career in which he became.

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Psychologically unemployable,

finding his true calling outside

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the traditional job market.

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And I'm very excited to have him here

because Robert's probably forgotten

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more about network than I'll ever know.

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So welcome to the show, Robert.

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Hey, Michael, it's a pleasure to meet you.

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And you know, it's serendipitous because

actually we met networking and over

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a period of time we continually seem

to show up in the similar places and.

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Develop the relationship from there.

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Absolutely.

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Yeah.

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The number of times someone

said to me, do you know Robert?

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But when you should talk to

him, like, yeah, I know Robert.

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Super.

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Yep.

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So definitely great to have you on here.

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And you know, I was telling you before

we got started, this is the first

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season where I'm really focusing

on sharing networking knowledge and

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teaching networking through the podcast,

which is weird because the first five

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or more showing off, like, look at

all these cool people I know, and

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now we're really focused on sharing

knowledge so other people can do.

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what I did and meet cool people like you.

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So let's just kick it off with

just a quick piece of advice

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because I always get a quick win.

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For someone out there who's like,

I've heard about networking,

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but it hasn't worked for me.

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I've gone to events.

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I drink the wine, eat the cheese,

but nothing really happens.

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For someone who hasn't found the,

the power of networking, what would

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your advice be to them to really?

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Get the value that we've

gotten from a couple of things.

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First of all, you're probably closer

becoming a master at it than you know,

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and going back to, and I remember the

cartoon of this frog that he was Halfway

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down the stork's throat and on the

capsule is never, never, never give up.

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One of the things I can tell you

is that your net worth is a direct

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relationship to the value of your network.

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So again, you're closer than you

probably know and don't give up.

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Okay.

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All right.

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And so do you think it might be like

where people are networking or how they

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are like when you encounter people who

I assume you sometimes have people say,

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yeah, networking doesn't work for me.

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What do you find is holding people back

from from getting out of the birds throat?

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Well, first of all, I think

it's a combination of different

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things and expression.

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I learned in Asia.

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Same, same, but different.

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The similarities and differences

from every human being.

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It could be your belief system.

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It could be what you're doing, or

it could be where you're doing.

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The key is knowing where and how to do it.

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I mean, some of the biggest mistakes.

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That I see people make when

they're networking is number one.

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They're not branding

themselves quite often.

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They're branding You know, whatever

they're representing not themselves

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second biggest mistakes is they're too

focused on Transactions now, obviously

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we all are looking to create transactions

But the reality is you want to focus

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on collaborations if the key is almost

everybody today is looking for visibility

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credibility and connectivity Hmm.

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Talk a bit more about brands.

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I don't understand what you mean.

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The people are doing wrong.

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They're like, hi, I'm, I'm

Michael with remax or, you know,

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I'm Joe with New York life.

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And so they're not talking about

who they are and establishing

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themselves as a brand.

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But what's the solution to that?

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How do they brand themselves?

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Well, actually, I'm going, you know,

I'm going to borrow something that I

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heard you say that you heard somebody

else say the seven magic words and

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it, you know, how, dah, dah, dah, dah,

dah, whatever it is, what I do is.

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Hmm.

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Yep.

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Yep.

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Yeah, the problem you're solving.

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But that's just one example.

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I mean, quite often, and I'm very pro

MLM, but there's many times I see people

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get on and they're talking about their

MLM, that's just example, or their real

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estate or whatever it is, you are the

brand and what you do, what you want to

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be doing is branding, you know, who, you

know, what you can help other people.

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Hmm.

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Yes.

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No, I, I definitely noticed things.

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I certainly seen people

who get up and they say.

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You know, we have a product that that does

this and as a billion dollars, and I'm

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looking like you don't have that product.

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You might represent that product,

but I'm pretty sure you don't

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have a billion dollar company.

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And again, it comes across very

disingenuous, not disingenuous,

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but out of alignment.

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You're the words in the music aren't

matching when people are talking

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about the company as if it's them.

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Right.

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I mean, nobody really wants to

be pitched unless you really

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understand who that other person is.

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The only thing, as far as what I look at

when I network, I'm trying to pitch them

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of why they want to get to know me better.

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Why they want to do the one on one

the magic really happens when you Have

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the one on one and then we can talk

about that in a little bit, but you

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know You don't want to be pitching.

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I mean if you know if all you're

coming across is pitching somebody.

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Yep Resistance level

goes up Yes, absolutely.

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And actually let's talk about MLMs for

a moment because I'm sure, you know,

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some people have had good experience

with them and they understand the

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power of them and the power of the

system, but other people have not

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maybe have such a positive experience.

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And so share a little bit about

for people who have, who have may

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have a negative impression of MLMs.

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What is it that makes them so, so good

and powerful and what makes such a fan?

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Well, unfortunately, quite often, you

know, the, the biggest assets, the

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biggest liability in NLM, which is these

of entry, it's very easy for somebody

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to get involved for very little dollars

and make a lot of money, but it also

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brings a lot of the wrong element.

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People that really haven't embraced it.

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I've said for many years on

stage, if people really understood

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this business model, especially

where it is today, compared.

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To where it was when I

started 30 some years ago.

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Everybody would be involved with it

for a variety of different reasons.

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The biggest reason why somebody might

not be involved in it is because

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they've got the misperception thing.

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They think it's about selling products.

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They think the fact is, if I get you

involved in an MLM, you're working for me.

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Actually, the antithesis of that is true.

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If I get you involved in a particular

company, I'm working for you because

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really what you're looking for is

From that other person is their time,

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energy and effort, their resources.

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And the only way they're going

to continually stay involved

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is if they can see some wins.

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So again, if you know, it's

getting clarity about what that is.

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And today, most MLM companies

are really what I call a hybrid.

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They're a cross between a

affiliate with a leverage backend.

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Okay.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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And that's something I always appreciate

my, you know, I have, I have a, an

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audience and email lists, resource

letter, and I've encountered a number

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of companies that are MLM structured.

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And I said, Oh, I like what you do.

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I'd be happy to show it to my audience.

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And they're like, great.

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You got to come to this

training and do this and wear

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a hat and drink the Kool Aid.

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I'm like, no, no, no, no,

no, you don't understand.

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I will send emails, sending

people to you to talk to.

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Oh, we don't do things that way.

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I'm like, cool.

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Guess I'm not promoting you.

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That that's why I, you know, I recently

discovered the great discovery and.

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And I like them because because they're

actually set up that I can use my,

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you know, I like what they're doing.

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I like their philosophy.

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I can take what they're doing and

say, hey, come to this info session.

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This guy will be here

to explain it for you.

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I don't need to explain it.

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I don't have to go learn everything.

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I can bring what I have.

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And then marry it to what they

have and create value for everyone

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instead of everyone having to,

you know, wear the robes and drink

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the Kool Aid as they do at some.

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Exactly.

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Sometimes, you know, and again, one of

the guys I've met through networking, Jim

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Feldman, his website is shift happens,

but sometimes all you need to do is

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shift how people look at it because.

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You know, today they've got

systems in pro I mean, in place.

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So all you have to do is plug people

into the system and they don't have to

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go through the training or your upline

can handle that for you or whatever.

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But sometimes a small difference in

how you think or look at something

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will make the biggest difference

as it relates to networking and

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everything else you do in life.

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Yeah, yeah, that is.

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That's a huge thing.

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So, so you're going to, you

said you're going to talk

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about one on ones a little bit.

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So let's talk about that.

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Cause you know, you meet people and

that's, that's where the action happens.

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You meet someone at an event, you

say, let's follow up and then what?

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You know, the biggest thing and

there's, I love acronyms, which

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I think, you know, and I love the

acronym USC and that's not the college

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in Southern California, but it's

understanding who the other person is.

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Now, if the other person asks you.

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What you do, keep it

short, sweet, and simple.

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So if somebody asked me what I do, I say,

I'm a elite networker and a strategist.

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And then I flip it back on them.

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I'd like to find out more about what you

do, because if I understand what they

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do, what they're doing to expand their

network and understand what's going on in

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their world, you know, and I mentioned,

you know, for example, Jim Feldman.

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And when I originally met Jim, I

said, I'm an out of the box thinker.

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And he says, I mean, my whole living

within the box thinking as that relates

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to networking, you know, it's, you know, I

use what he calls 3d thinking, understand

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the depth of the other person's problem,

which is going back to understanding,

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understand the distance to the solution

as it relates to what they're doing.

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So if you're in the, the last

day is the determination of

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them to solve their problem.

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So when I'm.

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Talking with somebody, I

want to understand really

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what's going on in the world.

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And then my next part of that S is figure

out how I can be of service or value.

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For example, when you and I first met,

I've got this vault of information that

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I normally sell for a lot of money,

but I gave it to you at no cost because

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one of the things about networking,

it's like opening a bank account.

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You need to make deposits.

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a withdrawal.

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So I'm focused on being of service.

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If the person's looking to get more

visibility, I've got a whole list,

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just like you do, of different people

that might have podcasts or resources

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where I can guide them, guide them to.

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I've got a list of 60 different

networking events in the vault.

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So I'm trying to focus on what

I can do that will help them.

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As it relates to what they're doing.

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And then I want to focus on the C,

which is, you know, have clarity of

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communication, focus on connecting

from a human to human, and think about

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collaboration, you know, it's like,

if I can guide somebody to somebody

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that would be the right connection for

them, that's another way to increase

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your know, like, and trust, which is a

common thing that everybody talks about.

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Yeah, and there's a few things that I

really like people can can learn from it.

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First of all, I believe before we

met, I had seen your event list.

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I, I can't remember who I think may have

been Frank Agan, who, who recommended it.

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But he said, yeah, if you're

looking for this is what I was

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just getting the online space.

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He said, there's this guy, Robert,

but when he's got a list of.

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a zillion events and, and I think he

actually may have sent me the PDF.

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He's, he's like, I've got this PDF from

Robert Budwin, you know, check this out.

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I'm like, Oh, this is pretty cool.

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This guy must know his stuff.

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I should probably meet him at some point.

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So I knew you before I met you.

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Because you'd created

this high leverage asset.

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Cause you know, sending a PDF out,

that doesn't cost you anything.

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It probably took you a lot of time and

energy to build it, but once you had

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it, sending it out, didn't take a lot.

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That's very high leverage.

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And then we met, give me access

to the vault, very high leverage.

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You've already have the vault.

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And so sharing that it creates that power.

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But I, what I really liked was that

idea of keeping your, your intro short

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and then turning around and saying,

but I really want to learn about

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you because that's, that's a great.

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The term gets a bad name, but you know,

it's great power play, you know, confident

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people say that not confident people like,

Oh, let me tell you everything I do this

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and this and this and this and this and

this and this and blah, blah, blah, blah,

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blah, confident people like, Oh, I'm, I do

this and this, but tell me more about you.

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I don't need to share who I am.

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I want to learn about you and help you.

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And the person you're talking to

then says, wow, wow, this guy's

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willing to help me and he must be

really established because he can

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explain himself in four words.

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And it's just, it's so powerful.

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The more you need to talk about yourself.

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The smaller it makes you look.

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Exactly.

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So, you know, again, I want to focus

on giving something that's going to

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help the other person, whatever it is,

a connection, a resource, my wisdom,

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insight from my, you know, 30 some years

of experience, because I've seen the good,

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the bad, and the ugly as entrepreneurs

is or in network marketing, either way.

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I mean, you know, there's a lot of

people out there doing it wrong.

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So when you're networking, the question

you want to ask yourself is my net.

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Working when I'm networking.

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If you realize, are you, you

know, what are your numbers?

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Are you, you know, it's like, how many

networking events do you go to in a month?

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I know my numbers.

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How many one on ones are you

actually having with people?

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You know, what are your IPAs,

your income producing activities?

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And that is about re Developing and

creating the right relationships.

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There's an art as it relates to what

you're doing, how you attract the right

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people into your net, you know, as far

as collaborations or people that have

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a potential doing business someday,

how you retain the right relationship.

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And the T is the transformation

that they're going to have

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because of the relationship that

they're going to have with you.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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And that's, that's really good.

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And a lot of that starts with

clarity on what is your business?

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Who's your target audience?

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Who do you serve?

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How do you serve them?

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Which is certainly something I know

well that you can meet lots and lots

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of people and not make any money from

it if you don't have that clarity.

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And if people are saying,

yeah, you're great.

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How can I help you?

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What do you need?

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Who do I refer you to?

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Which there have been times in my career

when a lot of people ask me that question.

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My answer was I don't know.

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So definitely having the answer

to who do you need to meet?

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Where what is your income?

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You know, what are your

income producing activities?

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Where does your revenue

come from is is crucial.

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You know, the key is it relates to people.

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I'm looking to meet is very simple

people that are serious and committed

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about taking what they're doing to the

next level because Every time I have

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a communication with whoever I have

a communication with, I go into that

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communication with the knowing, the

knowingness of the fact that there'll

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be something that I'm going to say to

them as I understand them and I focus

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on what I can do to be of value to them.

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Yep.

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So tell me more about how you got

into the network marketing space.

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So, you know, what made you decide to go

full time and, and how were you doing it

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differently than, than the thousands of

people every day who get in and then get

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back out because it doesn't work for them?

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Well, before I do it, I want to talk

about how I got involved in networking,

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and then I'll get into network marketing.

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Even better.

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Let's go all the way back.

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Yeah, all the way back.

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I always loved to meet people because I

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understand the value of relationships.

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There was a guy that was a 70 year

acquaintance of my mom, Harvey McKay.

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And Harvey wrote the book, Dig

Your Well Before You're Thirsty,

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but before he wrote that book, and

I look at him as the godfather of

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Minnesota, the Minnesota Gophers had

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a very different Bad football team.

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They had won one game

and lost all the rest.

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They were outscored by their

opponents by three to one.

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And through his ability and

networking, he brought Lou Holtz in

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to coach the Minnesota Gophers, who

at the time was a pristine coach.

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And he, within two years, the Gophers

were ultimately in the bowl games.

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Now Harvey, who just turned 90 last

year, he brought like 300 of his

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closest friends to have a birthday

party and he did it up first class.

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He did the same thing at 80 years.

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So I sort of modeled

myself after Harvey McKay.

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I realized that You know, if he

could do it and he was my model,

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I could become an elite networker.

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So anyhow, that was, that's why I

started looking at networking now, as

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far as how I got a network marketing

is a little sister and a fraternity

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that I graduated many years before it

came to me telling me ultimately how

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much money this fraternity brother

of ours was making that attracted me.

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to the profession.

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Now, at the point, I didn't

know what I didn't know.

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I dove in headfirst and within

the first six months, I created

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more depth than anybody, you know,

that I would like to talk about.

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But I, you know, I had

to learn about reframing.

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And as far as about reframe, because

one of the things I learned early

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on is if we're in action, whatever

actions we're doing, we're going to

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have different experiences, you know,

I love the definition of experience.

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Experience is what you get when

you don't get what you want.

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So I had to reframe what happened.

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So I sat back and I said, if I'm going to

run a franchise, what would it cost me?

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If I were, you know, I grew up from you.

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Ultimately you know, as you mentioned

the my introduction, a very wealth,

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you know, a quality family, you know,

a lot of millionaires around me.

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So I sat back and I said, you

know, this is going to serve me.

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So I realized I was not going to quit.

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I was going to be able to master because I

want to get away from our family business.

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In our family business.

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There was too much family in the

family business was my family.

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And I wanted to, I wanted to have the

freedom that I saw in network marketing.

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That was how I started.

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Now, to me, where it's come to is

I want to live a life of meaning

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based on helping other people.

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And that's the beauty of network

marketing, because it's based

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on a geometric progression.

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The numbers will always work.

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People don't, but with systems in place

and with technology evolving to where it

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is today, you're able to plug people in.

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And the only way you make money is

helping other people make money.

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Okay.

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And so it's a matter of reframing,

figuring out that you need to look

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at this like a business and not

just, which I think it's a story.

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A lot of people have is because

partly because they're sold

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this, you know, Oh yeah.

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Let's talk to a few friends.

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You'll make a bunch of money.

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And, and, you know, if you, if you

think of it compared to a McDonald's

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franchise or seven 11 franchise.

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Cheapest franchise you're ever

going to buy, but you've got to do

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the work because you don't have.

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It's not just build a McDonald's, hire

some staff and sell some cheeseburgers.

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You actually need to get out

there and really follow the

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playbook they're giving you.

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The real work is working on yourself.

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When I started off, you know, I came

across a cassette tape series by Wayne

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Dyer and it was called No Limit Person.

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And as I'm listening to it, I came to the

realization that the limits that existed,

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I was responsible for them being there.

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Mm.

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Take responsibility for what is, you

can take it for what will be, but

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most people are in a state of denial.

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And I love the acronym of denial,

which is don't even notice.

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I am lying.

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So I took responsibility for.

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The things I wanted and I focused

on personal growth and development.

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So the key in everything is continually

improving your skillset so that you can

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create the results and take responsibility

for the kind of life that you want.

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Okay.

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Yep.

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Yeah.

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I've often said that entrepreneurship

is just applied self improvement

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because yeah, if you got a job and

you're, and you got issues, well, you

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know, you still probably get paid to

still probably get along, you got on,

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you got a business, you got issues.

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They are all right.

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They're gumming up your engine and.

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And front and center in

every relationship you have.

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So yeah, there's a lot to that.

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And then I, yeah, I like that, that

denial expression because a lot of

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people don't realize that they are.

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They are lying to themselves.

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They're holding themselves back.

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Most people settle.

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They trade time for money.

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They're working on somebody else's dream.

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Yep.

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What you want to do is you want to,

you know, first of all, realize that

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you can create the kind of life that's

of meaning and that you can create

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anything that you really want once you

start seeing and thinking differently.

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So, but most people settle and

they just trade time for money.

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Yep.

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That makes sense.

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So in network marketing, do you,

do you recommend that people Work

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with, you know, I guess, yeah.

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How, how would you

recommend they get into it?

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Do they find one company that I liked?

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They find the best financial opportunity.

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They find a product.

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They like, they work

with multiple companies.

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Well, for the most part, I don't

believe in working multiple companies.

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If you're going to work multiple

companies, no more than two.

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Okay.

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And you know but obviously you've got to

believe in what you're doing, you know, if

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you, because that's going to show through.

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If you're incongruent with what you're

saying and what you're doing, you

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know, I look at network marketing.

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It's like putting together a puzzle.

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Meaning there's multiple different

pieces, the right support system,

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the right product that you really

believe in the right system

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that you can plug people into.

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Because one of the things I

talked about in my book, you

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want to create interdependent,

not codependent relationships.

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Today, it's a lot easier because when

I started off in network marketing,

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I talked to you, or I mentioned about

the Wayne Dyer cassette tape series.

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Over a period of time, I probably spent

100, 000 in self improvement from the

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cassettes I bought, the CDs I bought,

the books I read, and the seminars.

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Today, if you know where to look

for that kind of stuff, you can

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find it almost all for nothing.

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Yeah.

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Or very little cost.

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Yeah, that's, that's huge.

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Yeah, I think that, that idea of

you have to love the product is key.

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Yeah.

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Because there's, there's

so many MLM coming out.

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I mean, there are probably thousands.

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And.

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Lots of them have great have

a great or great products.

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But, uh, so I think sometimes people

see the opportunity of MLMs and they

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attach it at one company and say, Well,

I don't really love, you know, hair

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accessories, but the opportunity is great.

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So I'm going to do it.

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not realizing they could also do

that with anything from online

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training to nutritional supplements

to knives to clothes to whatever.

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There's plenty of companies that have

that model but you really did, you're

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right, that, that, that incongruity

if you're You know, if I'm going out

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trying to sell skincare products,

people are going to feel like you don't

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really care about skincare products.

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Do you know, first of all, I believe

in multiple streams of income, and

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I've got an acronym for that, which is

CLAP, C L A P, your coaching consulting

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business, your leveraged resource.

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For example, if you've got a

product and you've got affiliates

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representing that product.

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That's an example of a leveraged resource.

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M is another example of

a leveraged resource.

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A is your affiliate income

and P is your passive income.

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And that's anything that's having

your assets work for your assets.

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As far as in a couple of different

examples, I put it in that category.

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I love sports memorabilia, so

I've made some money there.

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I was investing in the stock market.

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Real estate's another example.

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Gold and silver is another example.

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You know, cryptocurrency

is another example.

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I'm not ha I'm personally not in

cryptocurrency, but there's multiple

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different ways that you can take advantage

of your P and the passive income.

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Yep.

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And then, so you talked about you

said leverage, which is uh, which like

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you have a product being promoted by

someone else or MLM versus affiliate.

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And talk about the difference

between those two, two categories.

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Well, for example, I know based on the

things you've got, you know, you've

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got to leverage resources and the

things that you're representing, but

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part of the leverage resource, and I

might not, you know, because I'm not

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going to be in competition with you,

I believe in cooperation, but I might

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say, you know, Michael, if I, you know,

if you're promoting an event you've

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got an affiliate program and I can

just send that link because I believe

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in who you are and what you're doing.

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And so that's an affiliate.

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That's one example, seven figures.

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Funding is another example for people

that ultimately don't have that.

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Usually credit card companies

have got an affiliate program,

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which most people don't realize.

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You know, why do you think the airlines

promote other people's credit cards?

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Because they're going to make

ongoing residual incomes.

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You know, those are just a few

examples of the many affiliate kind

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of programs that are out there.

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In fact, Amazon started with

an affiliate program and still

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does have an affiliate program.

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I've made dozens of cents off that.

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Some of those Amazon

affiliates, like one and 2%.

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But you know, it's a couple of bucks.

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It's something yes.

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So, so they kind of go together.

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The, you know, my affiliate income

could be your leverage income

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if I'm promoting your program.

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Right.

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So the affiliate is what I'm making,

selling someone else, promoting

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someone else's stuff to my audience.

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And the leverage is what you're

selling to someone else's audience.

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Yeah.

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And let me jump in for a second,

because one of the things that I've

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learned is most people would rather

promote something else than try to sell.

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Of their own, you know, as far

back as I can remember, I was

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told I could sell ice to Eskimos.

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No, I've never tried.

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I believe I could, but

let me define selling.

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What selling really is,

is presenting information.

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Here's the two key words, when

appropriate, that allows somebody

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to make an informed decision.

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That's all selling is.

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Once you're clear about

really what selling is.

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Let's see, most people don't

do the proper exploration.

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They haven't done the proper figuring out,

is this person even interested in what I

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might have, might be able to offer them?

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, the

one appropriate is key.

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Yeah.

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Make sure that value.

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Yeah.

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And I think that that's interesting,

especially because I'm so, you know, I'm

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so immersed in the course creator space

and the, the coaching space and, and it

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probably is very true that most people

would rather sell someone else's stuff

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than make their own thing and sell it.

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And for any coaches who are listening,

some of them might be like, no,

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no, that doesn't sound right.

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Cause everyone wants me to promote

their stuff and doesn't want to promote

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my stuff, which could be because

you're talking to the wrong people.

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Because if you're all course creators

and you're talking to each other,

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you've all got a course to move.

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Then there's the other 8 billion

people on earth who haven't created

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a course they're trying to sell.

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Exactly.

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And yeah, so that's what I've been

interesting area to, to explore a

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little bit more is that idea of, of,

you know, if your pool is too small

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and people are all just like you.

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Talk about the value of diversity in

networking outside of your circles to

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finding people who aren't just like you.

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Let me give you a perfect example.

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A couple different people in some of my

networking groups are divorce coaches.

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And so, you know, one of my

suggestions, and quite often

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it's just giving a suggestion.

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I said, what you might want to do is start

doing podcasts of people that have been

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happily married for x period of time.

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So that way you can offer that.

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To people that are having

relationship challenges.

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The secrets I've learned from

people that have, you know, that

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have been happily married for over

10, 20, whatever period of time.

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But again, it's thinking differently.

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And that's the one thing that Jim

Feldman helped me shift my thinking

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with his example of 3d thinking.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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It's a powerful concept.

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Thinking outside.

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Because if you're focused on just people

who've gotten divorced, then by the time

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you're reaching them, so is everyone else.

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So when you're talking to people

and you know, again, it opens

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up a whole different dynamics as

it relates to what you're doing.

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If you're interviewing people as

you're a divorce coach that have

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been happily married, so you're

extracting some of the secrets.

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That's sort of like what you're doing.

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As it relates to networking and the,

you know, you're extracting from other

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people's wisdom and you're able to

help guide people and it's increasing

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your know, like, and trust based on if

you're either giving away or selling

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either way, it's, you know, you know,

it's helping your brand, your image.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, that's, that's true.

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And I'm reminded of, I was talking

to a mortgage coaching, a mortgage

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broker, a loan originator.

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And, and I was saying that they should be

producing content around credit repair,

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debt consolidation, that kind of stuff.

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And they said, they said, why people with

bad credit can't, can't get a mortgage.

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I'm like people with bad credit can't

get a mortgage today, but if you help

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them improve their credit, you think

they're going to go to someone else when

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it comes time to take their mortgage out.

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If you've been working with them,

but that's, that's about the long,

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the long plan too, because it could

take two or three, five years, but

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if they're in it for the long game.

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Then it makes sense to go go after

someone who's going to need a mortgage

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in five years Instead of someone who

needs a mortgage today because every

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mortgage broker is going after that guy

Yeah in the back end in that scenario

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is once that person has improved

their credit you help them get the

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house Guess what they're going to do.

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They're going to refer Many

of their friends to you Yeah,

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and that's, that's powerful.

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And even if they're friends who have

bad credit, then you hopefully have some

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kind of systems in place and education in

place or partnerships in place that when

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they come to you, you'll be like, great.

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Okay.

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Yeah.

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And they'll go through the system

or, or there's a course or whatever.

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And then see in three years,

it's time for you to buy a house.

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Yeah.

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Exactly.

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Yeah.

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It's about thinking, thinking

along the long game there.

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And yes, you mentioned something

about you know, learning through

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networking too, is you meet all these

people and, and learn from them.

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You know, talk a bit about how networking

can be an educational tool, how you

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can learn from the people you meet.

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You know, I always am looking to learn.

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I mean, some of the acronyms that I've

come up with were things that I got from

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other people, but everybody that you

meet, you know, they've got their own life

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experience and a lot of who I am today.

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Is because i've learned it from other

people or i've learned it through the

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experiences that i've had So, I mean

I can't even tell you how many things

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i've learned from jim feldman as one

example The guy that I you know, I love

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to network with is mori zukovich and

anytime Somebody's telling me they've

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got some kind of mental challenge I

refer Morrie because I, with his brain

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entrainment, that's just a, you know,

another example, but I always learning,

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you know, and going back to our Better

Change podcast every Tuesday night.

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Our whole focus and what we wanted to

do was create a community that would

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be there to serve other people and

be of value to other people because

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what I've realized, my definition

of wealth is a direct relationship.

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To the value and service that you bring

to the marketplace and the rewards

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the marketplace will give you back.

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So what is the marketplace?

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It's people.

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The more that you can show up

to be of service and value.

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Now, obviously, as you're dealing

with people, you have to set your

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boundaries because otherwise people have

a tendency to take advantage of you.

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So, you know, you've got to be able to

shift it from once you've given enough.

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If they want to continually

get your wisdom, you know.

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To focus more, you know, segueing

into more of a business relationship.

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Yeah.

653

Yeah.

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And then that, that's a key thing is

that people, and I don't think it's

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about their, their takers or their

greed or they just don't, you know, they

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are desperate for this information and

they, a lot are in a place of scarcity.

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And they're like, please give me more,

I need more, I need more, I need more.

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And it's okay to say, I'm happy to

give you more, but past this line,

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there's a charge, you know, there

is a, there's a transaction, there's

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a commercial relationship we're

going to have beyond that point.

661

YeAh, so it's but you you want

to be able to provide that value.

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Without without having them consume all

of your time and all of your energy.

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That is that is key.

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So, so we've covered a lot

of different areas from M.

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L.

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M.

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S.

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How to meet people, how to improve

yourself through networking,

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how to connect to people.

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Is there anything I have not yet touched

on that you'd like to like to address?

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Oh, you know, I mean, there's

a couple different things.

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First of all, a couple of, you

know, some of my favorite sayings, a

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person's character is like a teabag.

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You never know what's inside of

it until it gets into hot water.

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That's one of the things people will

reveal who they are over a period of time.

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Obviously, I see the

greatness in everybody.

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The second thing is the

fact that it doesn't matter.

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Where somebody starts in life

or where they are now, the key

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is the direction they're headed

and where they choose to end up.

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So if you're not creating the kind of

results that you're looking for, when

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you're networking, you know, hopefully

some of the things that I've said today

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whenever you're listening to them will

be a value or either that, or continually

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come back to Michael's podcast, because

I know he's going to be interviewing

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some amazing people and you can.

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You can take bits and pieces from what

other people said and create your own

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puzzle and develop your own map to

create the kind of life that you deserve.

687

I love it.

688

That's, that's all great stuff.

689

So so a couple of things you

mentioned, the Better Change

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podcast, how can people find that?

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iF you can take a look at right above

my give me a second, I'll give it.

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It's the 832 do you

see it right above 832?

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Of course, that'll be in

the, the show notes as well.

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And that's And that's every Tuesday, 5 p.

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m.

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Pacific, 8 p.

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m.

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Central.

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Awesome.

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And it's just for myself, and

again, it's a growing community.

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We're not pitching.

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We're there to serve people.

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Okay.

705

And then the, the notes also say you have

a complimentary gift that people can text.

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I do.

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That's awesome.

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All they have to do is go to

my calendar, which is cal only.

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com forward slash, but when, and make

sure that you put Michael so that I know

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where you came from, because normally

I sell this for a lot of money and I

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will be, you know, normally 495, but

I'll give it to you absolutely free.

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As long as you've got Michael's

name with my calendar and I'll spend

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a half an hour with you based on

the things we talked about here.

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Understand.

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You know what you do, what

you're doing and focus on what

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I can do to be of value to you.

717

Great.

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And of course, if, if you forget

how to spell his name, you can just

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remember his clever catchphrase.

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Robert, what's your clever catchphrase?

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When you connect with Robert,

you'll do nothing but win.

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That's B U T W I N.

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I love it.

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All right.

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Well, this has been great.

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Thank you so much for sharing everything.

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And if you're listening,

definitely take advantage.

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Robert has so much knowledge

to share and he is so generous.

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to a limit.

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So generous with his knowledge

and advice and and resources and

731

definitely a great guy to have in

your network and your community.

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And again, you go to calendly.

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com slash, but when B U T W

I N and all the rest of that

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will be in the show notes.

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Thank you so much, Robert.

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Thank you, Michael.

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It's always a pleasure.

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Thank you so much for joining us on

the guy who knows the guy podcast.

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I'm your host, Michael Whitehouse.

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